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Hmm, here is a wierd one.
Topic Started: Aug 23 2009, 05:07 PM (510 Views)
BLinkinPark619	Aug 23 2009, 05:07 PM Post #1
Posts: 661 Group: Global Moderators Member #5 Joined: Aug 8, 2009	Allright, so me and my bro are testing out his new oppression deck right. I go and attempt to Synchro into Power Tool Dragon, and he counters with Royal Oppression. Am i able to counter that by activating My Buddy As A Shield?? Royal Oppression Text: Pay 800 Life Points. Negate The Special Summon of a monster(s), and the effect that Special Summoned the monster(s), and destroy both. Both you and your opponent can use this effect. My Body As A Shield Text: When your opponent activates a card that has the effect that destroys 1 or more monsters on the field, pay 1500 Life Points to negate the activation of the card and destroy it. i think i might know the answer, but i'm not quite sure. So if someone has any idea, please.
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Dan	Aug 24 2009, 02:55 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,528 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 18, 2009	I think MBAAS would work. My Logic? Cold Wave negates face up Royal Oppressions because they cannot be activated. Therefore, if your opponent uses the effect of Royal Oppression, s/he is activating it, which would trigger My Body As A Shield. -Dan
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Val	Aug 24 2009, 04:11 AM Post #3
Final Vision Posts: 177 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Aug 22, 2009	My Body As A Shield needs to negate an effect attempting to destroy a card on the field. Since Royal Oppression is negating a synchro summon, Power Tool Dragon would be destroyed before reaching the field, so My Body As A Shield cannot be used in this situation. Edit - While I'm confused about Cold Wave's involvement with this, I should mention that it doesn't "negate" anything. Instead, it prevents certain activations & actions from being performed. Keeping to the idea of avoiding incorrect terminology, it's important to remember that My Body As A Shield doesn't have a "trigger" effect, so we shouldn't be using that term out of context either. Edited by Val, Aug 24 2009, 04:14 AM.



Mark	Aug 24 2009, 04:17 AM Post #4
Caterpie! Posts: 1,394 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jun 18, 2009	Wasn't there a way that My Body As A Shield could negate Oppression or was I misinformed?
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Val	Aug 24 2009, 07:04 AM Post #5
Final Vision Posts: 177 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Aug 22, 2009	Simply put, Royal Oppression would need to try and destroy a monster that is already on the field. For example, if I activate an effect from a card like Zombie Master or Junk Synchron & you activate Royal Oppression's effect to negate & destroy it, I can respond with My Body As A Shield because you have activated an effect that would destroy a monster on the field.



BLinkinPark619	Aug 25 2009, 03:21 AM Post #6
Posts: 661 Group: Global Moderators Member #5 Joined: Aug 8, 2009	Alright thanks guy. Question answered.
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Dan	Jan 6 2010, 10:30 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,528 Group: Admins Member #2 Joined: Jun 18, 2009	Topic reopened due to incorrect ruling. -Dan
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TheWhiteRose	Jan 6 2010, 10:38 PM Post #8
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: Jan 5, 2010	Actually. My Body as a shield cannot stop Royal Oppression. My Body as a Shield "When your opponent activates a card that has an effect which destroys 1 or more monster(s) on the field, pay 1500 Life Points to negate the activation of that card and destroy it." Royal Oppression "Pay 800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field." When you "activate" the card your not activating its effect. Newer rulings say you can activate the cards effect when you activate the card. So you can use My Body as a Shield then. But if its on the field already. You cannot activate my Body as a Shield due to the fact your not activating a card to stop your opponent from special summoning. Your activating the effect of a card. not the card itself. Also for the side note. You can't activate my Body as a Shield in General to Royal oppression due to the fact your not destroying a monster on the field. If you negate the special summoning of the monster it isn't considered to be on the field. That is why you can Royal Oppression a Stardust Dragon or a Jinzo. My above quote was just a "all around expression" of how it wouldn't work in general for other rulings. Enjoy The Game. -Daniel-
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Val	Jan 7 2010, 02:10 PM Post #9
Final Vision Posts: 177 Group: Members Member #39 Joined: Aug 22, 2009	If that's the case, then how do you explain the fact that My Body As A Shield can negate monster effects, even though monster "cards" never activate? The answer is that much like countless cards of its time, My Body As A Shield suffers from old text syndrom, and should mention the activation of an "effect", rather than the activation of a "card". Keeping to this, lets remember that My Body As A Shield is directly noted to work the same way Prime Material Dragon does (cares about effects not cards), and lets also remember that My Body As A Shield was always ruled to work like this when we had the UDE boards to reference. I'm not saying your side of the argument is totally invalid, what with there apparently being some unofficial ocg stuff to support it, but what I wrote in the above paragraph shouldn't simply be overridden by a card that hasn't been printed for years, especially since we know its text is flawed to begin with. Also, lets not forget that if Royal Oppression is trying to destroy a card such as Zombie Master that is already on the field, My Body As A Shield wouldn't get robbed of its activation grounds in the same way that it would with Dark Armed Dragon & Synchro summons. Edited by Val, Jan 7 2010, 02:26 PM.



TheWhiteRose	Jan 7 2010, 10:03 PM Post #10
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: Jan 5, 2010	You have to give a example for me. For the cannot negate monster effects one. Your just asking me explain it without giving a situation. please elaborate and I can give you a answer. Edit: If Zombie master is already on the field. Zombie master himself cannot be royal oppressioned. Due to the fact he is "already" on the field. But the monster you are special summoning with Zombie Master. Can be royaled Opp due to the fact by Royals opps new card text. "Pay 800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field." Then you can use my body as a shield due to the fact the monster is on the field. a Inherited summon such as D.A.D. or Judgement dragon can be negated though due to the fact they are. Special summoned by there own effects from the hand and not by a card on the field. But cannot be MBASS get it? Edit Edit: If "Royal Oppression" is activated to negate the Special Summon of a monster - like "Dark Armed Dragon" - from the hand, the monster is not considered to be on the field, (OCG Ruling) Edited by TheWhiteRose, Jan 7 2010, 10:13 PM.
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Flu	Jan 7 2010, 10:05 PM Post #11
Dude, you're getting a Nel Posts: 884 Group: Ex-Staff Member #113 Joined: Dec 31, 2009	TheWhiteRose Jan 7 2010, 10:03 PM You have to give a example for me. For the cannot negate monster effects one. Your just asking me explain it without giving a situation. please elaborate and I can give you a answer. DaD or JD, for example?
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Mark	Jan 7 2010, 10:09 PM Post #12
Caterpie! Posts: 1,394 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Jun 18, 2009	DaD and JD will never hit the field for My Body As A Shield to stop Oppression, however you CAN My Body As A Shield the Royal Oppression when something like "Zombie Master" or "Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner" are already present on the field and are trying to activate their respective effects to special summon a monster from the graveyard, same can be applied for cards like "Deep Sea Diva" and "Junk Synchron", because in that case Royal Oppression is trying to destroy a monster ALREADY on the field, making "My Body As A Shield's" activation requirements available.
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Flu	Jan 7 2010, 10:12 PM Post #13
Dude, you're getting a Nel Posts: 884 Group: Ex-Staff Member #113 Joined: Dec 31, 2009	~DK~ Jan 7 2010, 10:09 PM DaD and JD will never hit the field for My Body As A Shield to stop Oppression, however you CAN My Body As A Shield the Royal Oppression when something like "Zombie Master" or "Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner" are already present on the field and are trying to activate their respective effects to special summon a monster from the graveyard, same can be applied for cards like "Deep Sea Diva" and "Junk Synchron", because in that case Royal Oppression is trying to destroy a monster ALREADY on the field, making "My Body As A Shield's" activation requirements available. JD and DaD were examples to effects that mbaas could effect. Just making sure that wasn't in response to my post, as what you said had already been posted ;D
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TheWhiteRose	Jan 7 2010, 10:12 PM Post #14
Posts: 40 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: Jan 5, 2010	Edited my post to include information before I saw your posts. xD
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Flu	Jan 7 2010, 10:14 PM Post #15
Dude, you're getting a Nel Posts: 884 Group: Ex-Staff Member #113 Joined: Dec 31, 2009	TheWhiteRose Jan 7 2010, 10:12 PM Edited my post to include information before I saw your posts. xD Your wording had me confused, as I thought you said my body couldn't be used when oppression is activated on zombie master and the like
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